Hellum could film the trip. The train was shut down many years ago due to the high cost of snow removal in the west. We need the trip shown for me and posterity and all of us who are quarantined a week long train ride through Canada would help us all please. Maybe the country would help with the funding.
This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed. WordPress Video Theme by. Categories Technical Notes , Video. Share this post Tweet. January 25, at pm. Uzay Sezen says:. January 26, at am. Darrell Jenkins says:. Close friends are found through mutual interests, shared experiences etc. Friends by association and acquaintances are just that - Peripheral social bonds, and not our go-to people. And, perhaps as a result of our shut-in social culture, most Norwegians don't go out looking for friends.
Most of us have those from various social arenas; childhood, school etc. However, you'd be surprised at how far a good ol' fashioned drinking session can get you. If I was to give you any advice; Adapt to the culture. We're a strange, shut-in people, it's just as natural for us as being open is for you.
Well I, for one agree with you. I'm a native born norwegian and slowly starting to despise society around me. Norwegians tend to keep to people they already know, so as someone who fell of track in high school with almost no social circle have led to an almost extreme amount social isolation.
I'm in university now, I have social anxiety and do take some initiative which is fucking hard for me. But all I see is my peers inviting each other to parties and having fun and only keep in touch with people they already know. If you start from scratch in this society with struggles, well you're gonna have a bad time. My father is Dutch aswell, he's been living here for 20 years now.
His perception of Norwegians is excactly the same as yours. Several of his Dutch and German friends went back to their countries after living here several years, they just didn't connect with any Norwegians.
It is sad that it is this way. I dont know about the rest of Norway, but I love it when strangers engange in friendly smalltalk, but I'm half dutch, so that's that , most of my friends hate it though. Your age might be relevant as well. We youngins are usually more open-minded and less shy.
Generally speaking though, we tend not to speak to strangers and if spoken to, keep it simple. I actually have no idea how friendships happen in Norway, they just do I am sure though, that small talk ain't gonna do shit. We are most definitely avoiding it, but don't take it personal, we do it to each other as well Try finding likeminded people, having something in common to talk about is a sure bet most of the time.
Small talk is just viewed as unnecessary and awkward. Yes you really get offended most of the time if you get criticised. I find that also very rare. I've noticed bit of the same thing, but this is mostly in large cities like Oslo and Trondheim.
I believe the reason for this is the amount of people, and generally the Norwegian way of being as others above me has explained. As a Norwegian from the north, I've felt the same "cut off" behaviour, but I of course read this as not being unfriendly, but just not looking for any new acquaintances at the moment. It seems to me that foreigners, are kind of always on the look out for new people to get to know, but that's where we're a tad different.
We're more happy and satisfied with what we already have. I can understand why people form other countries have problems reading this, and feels that Norwegians are unfriendly. And also, I feel we're more into few GREAT friends rather a lot of friends who you don't know if you can trust or not.
Quality frinds over quantity. And this unfriendly thing I believe to be way off. I'll give you and example There has been these social experiments mostly in USA, you can watch them on youtube, where for example some guy falls over and looks kind of sick or just dead, at least in need of help. None helps, some just walks over and looks, and walks away. There was a socialy experiment done in Norway to see how Norwegians would generally react to a stranger in need.
A boy alone, maybe years old, during the winter, without a jacket sitting on a bench just minding his own business. If I remember correctly, not a single Norwegian walked past without doing anything, some gave him their jackets until he could get home or something like that, one guy actually went to a store and bought him a completely new jacket. However I might agree on the fact that we're a bit harder to get to know, but I think that's more of a privacy thing.
But I promise, most Norwegians are actually very lovable, easy going, helpful, considerate and good friends. Good luck on getting to know Norwegians! Merry Christmas.
Much has been said already. Sist endret av kallisti; I'm not sure if i totally agree with you. Generalizing in this way is never a good thing, but you may have a point. Norway has a cold and dark climate. We have months of warm summer. We are not that many people, about 5 million now, of which about are immigrants. We live quite scattered and our history derives from working the ground, hunting, fishing and logging, learning to survive this harsh climate.
It is not the same as living in a warm, summery climate where it is easier to be outside and socialize more often. Not to mention the wars, monarchy and religious influence we have been living under for a long time too.
May not be that significant, and that has been going on around the globe also, but still worth to mention. These values and conditions would have rooted themselves into people for a long time, and may still be part of our mentality. But even after considering this, when you think about the success we have had in the field of oil and all the wealth that has landed in our lap during the last years, we might not have been ready for such wealth that arrived so quickly.
This may also have influenced us a bit. Some of us may take it a bit for granted and become a little selfish because of it. But this is normal human behaviour. It is difficult to adapt to the mindset of being a part of such enormous wealth, when you have been accustomed to managing with very little for hundreds, even thousands of years. These two big factors i think may have influenced us to become a little "locked up" in the encounter of this new wealth and age of time, and due to this we may be hard to get to know.
But when you get to know us, you usually get a friend for life. We are a very productive people, and also close-knit. We do not tolerate "falseness", or shallow values, very well. Our freedom is very important to us.
Which again, may be rooted in the value of hard labour, which is of course necessary in order to upkeep a healthy society. Not everywhere in the world are they accustomed to this way of life, and this "clash of values" may be a hard lesson for some people. Personally, i think you get what you give, wherever you are in the world.
If you want commitment and honesty, be honest and faithful. I believe these things go in circles. If you have a baggage of good memories, you will be a happier person. If you have a baggage of struggle, bullying and degrading behaviour, you will exhibit the same behaviour, either on a conscious or unconscious basis. I have a story to tell as well, regarding this topic: I tried a new hair salon in the city where i live. These were of Greek origin. They were nice and all, but during my haircut, a woman was finished and about to pay.
I don't remember the exact situation, she thought she would not have to pay those extra 20kr for some reason. So she left, quite upset. I don't remember if she came back to pay. But the way the woman hairdresser clearly the owner and wife of the guy cutting my hair was speaking to her, i think had a big deal to say. And it also says we don't take credit cards!! And what struck me the most was, after the customer had left, she started talking to ME about it the only customer there at that point!
He proposed a new recipe with canned tuna. So, your own attitude has a lot to say when you approach new people. With all those personal perspectives out of the way, i think it is time to address the topic about yourself, and your attitude. And don't misunderstand, i am not trying to be sarcastic or offensive, just exploring the possibility. Are you always Mr. Do you always walk around with a big smile on your face and tell jokes to everyone you meet to cheer them up?
Life doesn't always work that way. Humans have emotions, and one little word or sentence may influence us to a huge degree. Even billionaires and in their circles i cannot imagine have their life perfect every hour of every day. Maybe even less so. Maybe the way you approach people, under which circumstances, AND what your expectations of people have been, may have had a lot to say? Sist endret av Taurean; In my personal opinion, Norwegians are easier to get to know than many others, for the simple reason that we all mostly anyway dislike small talk.
For example in the US, UK or Aus where I have spent a lot of time the normal thing is to start with a "hey, how are you", "hey, how's it going" or "Hi, it's nice weather outside today". And the only acceptable answer to give is "I'm fine, how are you? I have noticed so many times that if you just start talking about the weather or some other pointless shit the conversation never goes any further than more pointless shit.
Every time I try to make friends while traveling and the conversations always, without exceptions, start with small talk like the ones mentioned above, I just start cringing and I can't keep up. The same as they probably cringe at me trying to make a valuable conversation with them without going through the motion of small talk first. It's just a matter of cultural differences as mentioned above. But if you know how to get around these cultural differences making friends is easy everywhere How to get around small talk in other countries is a topic for a different time.
Getting to know a Norwegian person the easiest way is to just be open and "alpha". You say your coworkers don't invite you out anywhere, and yeah that's pretty fucked up of us Norwegians, but as mentioned above it's all about knowing the culture - invite yourself.
Just say or ask: "Hey, do you mind if I join you for lunch today? Unless you're a super creepy dude they will without question say "sure". Do not expect anyone to invite you out here - it's not about being cruel or cold, it's just how it is. Every Norwegian friend I have that I didn't get to know through university, work or hobbies started with something like "What do you study" or "Do you like your job".
These questions are open-ended enough that the conversation can easily be steered to more questions about who that person actually is, and not too direct to scare anyone off. This is of course just my personal opinion so I might be wrong about the whole small talk thing, but that's my opinion as a dude who grew up in Norway and has traveled a lot and also has a lot of friends in all cultures. But when you first get to know Norwegian you will find out that we are a nice people, not rude to others, and welcoming.
Me myself is 22 years old now, lived my whole life in Norway, and it took me 21 years to finally get a close friend. So, I recommend you to try harder, and not give up. Try to get a hobby, meet other, soon enough you will find someone who you can share a friendship whit.
I lived in the Netherlands for several years, and made mostly local, Dutch friends. Want to know the secret? I learned the language. You say you have been here for 3 years, yet you are writing all of this in English. For a Dutchman, Norwegian is honestly not that difficult. You'll be amazed at how differently people will treat you if you make an effort.
Veel succes! Sad to hear you encounter some issues with integration in the Norwegian social system as a Dutch person. Your message comes across as a bit disappointed and frustrated to me. It actually reminds me of my attitude towards Norwegians in the first year I lived in Norway as Dutch person. I hope that my message gives you some cultural understanding and tools to not blame the other, but to see possibilities for yourself as Dutchie in Norway : First, compared to in the Netherlands, socializing takes places in social bubbles.
You have a bubble for your work, one for your hobby and so on. All are formed through an activity or thing you have in common. If you want to meet get in touch with Norwegians, you have to join a group that comes together for a purpose: Framed activities. I have made a lot of good friends by joining a student organization. Second, going for a coffee or having dinner together is the outcome of an established friendship, not a means to get to know each other.
If you want to meet up with a Norwegian from one of your social bubbles, you need to have a practical reason to meet. Norwegians seem to be a lot more comfortable to hang out if you give them a practical reason; if they can justify why they are doing it. But in Tel Aviv, one in 10 residents has rented a Bird e-scooter, and the city appears to be embracing them.
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